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DenisF wrote:I'm a Mand0rk, just love the way they do things.
had my share of 'fun' with RH9/FCx and well.. basicly.. they suck
ow and out of the BSD's, FreeBSD is me heartie
DenisF wrote:Well for one i love the organization, mandrake's much "cleaner" than RHx/FCx [can't really explain this one]
i also like their ADVX software [a highly optimized apache], and the fact that they always keep their software -very- up-to-date [ex. MySQL4 on mandrake10.1, while FC3 still defaults to MySQL3]
And generally mandrakesoft are very community-oriented people, something that redhat now attempt with fedora.
Ow and speaking of gentoo, never in my life would i run gentoo on a production server, and this opinion is shared among everyone who knows a thing or two about linux [except the gentoo fans, who will crucify me for saying this].
as a desktop - sure, it's "usable". but a server? [mission critical, or otherwise] no way in hell.
DenisF wrote:Yeah, sure, you can.
but if one wants to nit-pick every piece of software that will run on one's server, that's just too time consuming [and we all know that time = money].
DenisF wrote:What would you say, the avarage time to build a full-scale web server [apache2, php, mysql, some MTA & FTP server, pop3 + imap, etc' etc'] from a stage2 gentoo install?
a week or so of compiling?
DenisF wrote:Compare that to [any] 'normal' linux distro, which uses the rpm way of things, that can be set up in a matter of a few hours.
DenisF wrote:And the 'bleeding edge' performance of gentoo over other distros is fubricated at best.
especially since just about every distro is now compiled for i686 [except fedora, who insist on using i386].
DenisF wrote:I just don't see how it's worth to spend a week of compiling your server, when it gives absolutly no benifit over a server that runs e.g mandrake 10.1 that was setup in just a few hours.
akiru wrote:From a business point of view, i agree with you entirely. You want a platform that you can deploy and maintain very quickly, but the that is only under the assumption that this is for business and that the decicion is made to compile from source.
akiru wrote:Without X? <24 hours, assuming the user knows what they are doing. If i were to do a GRP install then it could be done in a matter of hours, just like Mandrake, with the added advantage of the other features that gentoo has which could be made use of when installing other software if desired.
akiru wrote:I have seen benchmarks and i have also made my own. Whilst i cant speak for others i can assure you my own are not fabricated. Also, if you are not using a i686 processor then a i686 optimization isnt very useful. Think about compiling a kernel. Most gentoo users compile their own kernel's. Again, i cant comment on users of the other distributions but when compiling a kernel manually the processor Arch is a key option to set correctly. P3 and P4 come under the i686 architecture but its important to compile the kernel specifically for the processor. Im just saying why limit it to just the kernel? With gentoo you can have an optimized system too.
akiru wrote:In my make.conf i can specify compile formy Centrino processor as a P3 chip if i want and it will work, but since there are flags for the Pentium-M processor why waste let the extra instructions my processor can follow go to waste.
akiru wrote:Im not sure how weve gone from a it taking half a week of compile time (which remains disputed) to a week. Have you actually installed gentoo before? I dont know anyone off hand who has tried gentoo and hasnt loved it.
akiru wrote:Anyway, i guess the important thing is that you are happy with Mandrake because thats what is best for you. I dont mean for this to turn into a thread on distro wars so ill leave it here.
DenisF wrote:You wouldn't believe how many businesses/schools/sohos still use PMMX/P2 based hardware, for the mere fact that linux performs extremely well on those pieces of crap [pardon my french ]
It all boils down to what hardware you plan to install <anything> on, and how much time you're willing to spend on setting it up.
From my point of view, setting a small file server [say, a p266MMX with some 128mb of sdram, and a couple of the biggest hard drives it can run] isn't a task that i'm willing to spend even hours on.
So my choice is either get a "highly optimized" gentoo setup, for whatever amount of time it costs my employer.
or i can get the whole thing done with in a matter of minutes, by setting up mandrake [or whatever other 'mainstream' distro] with just the basics, and an ftp server.
Would those "optimizations" matter to my employer?
would he really be happy to pay me 3 if not 5 times the salary, just for their sake?
or would i do my job in 30~50 minutes, and he'll be so happy about my professionalizm [speed of work] that he'll hire me again?
that's a choice that both me and him will have to make.
I, for one, choose the latter.
PS
isn't it a bit cold for milkshakes now?
s1cko_debian wrote:I'm studying to be a web designer / coder. My dad always used Apple computers so I got used to the Mac system. Some people think of Mac OS a "pretty" software, and talking about Mac OS X because, let's be hones the look of the 8.1 OS was like . Anyway, im posting just to let know that I'm one of those Mac fanatics, since I use it for Graphic design (Photoshop CS etc.) and not to mention that the OS itself, besides being very stable, its a very simple minimalistic looking OS. I just love it.
Sorry for my english, I'm from Portugal so it's not my fault to be 17 years old and not speaking 100% correct eng.
Sicko
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